Just checked out the forum for Travelers of Azeroth, my European guild from which I left for RuVoV in October. It's been four months since the release of 3.3 and the guys haven't gotten beyond Q2. They only recently took down Tuchlopuz. Some will say (not me) "lolshto-progress-no progress", and some (and I'll join them) - so what? Lack of progress doesn't really affect the mood of people in the guild too much. At the end of the day, there really are very few hardcore guys like the Exorcus guys. Very few. That's one pole. They're qualitatively different players than people from casual guilds. And yet - we play the same game. And we find something in it for ourselves. Personally, I am interested in both of them equally. And not only progress is alive woof-gamer.
One day, looking through the statistics of visits to blog, I saw a visit from unfamiliar to me this link. Naturally, I decided to go there and check out what's interesting there. And it turned out to be interesting. It was the blog of the "Pot of Honey" guild, which resides on Eternal Song and is part of the Horde. There weren't very many entries there, the blog was just getting started, but nevertheless, one posting pleased me. Yes, it's certainly not the first time I've seen pictures from the real world, but here they were so... very kind. The thought of interviewing guild members came immediately. So I'm going to finish the intro and bring below the answers to the "Pot of Honey" guild questions.
Note: Camrad Idita, who also answered the questions, belongs to the "Hard Day's Night" guild, which is friendly to the "Pot of Honey" guild.
1. What nice and... mature faces. Who are you in real life?
Chewbacarella: Just regular people, actually. Most of the admins, programmers, there's a high school history teacher. We also have a real architect playing with us. But we're also parents, a lot of us have young children.
Worshool: A pop quiz question. Who am I... From a nurse to a theatrical make-up artist... Let's put it simply: a person who is interested in life.
Aleli: I'm basically a mother and a wife. Writing this comment with a snotty kid literally sitting on my neck. All the misspellings are his fault.
Timaine: Cryptoanarchist, meta-mathematician, under-mathematician, over-developer, seriously doubting the adequacy of the First Programmer and truly believing in the omnipotence of the Great Random. Just kidding, of course. In fact, I am a self-taught programmer by profession (when shall I hand in my project? tomorrow? on what are we coding?), by hobbies - a master of live-action role-playing games.
Idiots: accomplished architect and orthodox alcoholic.
Fingus: If "who I am" is depicted as a coordinate plane through which I have been carried, on one axis: from locksmith to technical director of an IT company; on the other axis: from free-lance artist to contract officer. Normal? In recent years, an IT specialist/manager of high calibre.
Chewbacarell: Elves, Taurens, Trolls..... We are just like the reality around us. Today I'm a troll department head, tomorrow I'm the sysadmin who killed the Lich King...
2. What brought you to WoW? When did you start playing WoW? Have you played any other MMOs? Off-line games?
Chewbacarella: Just a desire for recreation, entertainment, communication. Everyone has a different experience: some have been playing for 3 years, some have been playing for less than a year. Most haven't played other MMOs. Although some say they've played Happy Farmer, is it considered an MMO (*smiles, squints*)? Off-line games: why isn't life an offline game? But if you need a three-sheet list, no problem, we can cite it. People have been playing since the mid-90s.
Warshula: I was brought into WoW (as was everyone, I think) by interest. And the necessary clues were given by peers. My "seniority" is a little over a year. In other MMOs I've played, but could not "stick" for a long time, all the time something was missing. About offline games I'm afraid to even write: the list will be incomplete, I can't remember everything (since 1987, though).
Aleli: I've played, am playing and will continue to play. A full list of offline games would indeed be large, but mostly I prefer fantasy RPGs with pause and hiking fantasy strategies. Why - very simple, gives you a quiet distraction and a run to the baby (*smile*). From the closest to my heart - HoMM and MM series, Civilization, Baldur's Gate and the like, TES and almost all Blizzard products. Actually, here's the answer to why WoW. Blizzard games, in my opinion, are the best money can get in the gaming world, both in terms of quality and fan experience. I started playing WoW a little less than a year ago - I just had some free time. Free time ended and WoW stayed).
Timain: My girlfriend really wanted to play for the Alliance. That's how I became a blood elf. I have been playing WOW since August 2009 and Horde since around October 2009. In other MMOs, generally speaking, no, I haven't played. The Happy Farmer debug doesn't really count, does it? Partly why WOW was something completely new to me, mostly because of the humanity aspect. Offline - oh yes! Started out like all my peers, probably with Arkanoid under DOS. Continued with HoMM, Civilization, Half-Life (? - wavelength, yeah...), Portal... Warcraft of course. Offline isn't abandoned now either - NFS, Civilization... Spore.
Idiots: Interest in a game that's new to me. October 2008. Prior to WoW, 2 years of experience in 2nd "lineage" (Lineage 2). Off-line games, hmmm, can't remember them all, but I definitely remember starting with Heroes.
Fingus: There were 2 reasons, both unkillable: 1 - wife called (we've been playing together for years); 2 - professional interest (in recent years I develop and operate online games). I haven't played other MMOs and generally stayed away from this "drug" for a long time, but in the end I got addicted, yes. And I have no regrets - very informative and a lot of fun! Off-line - a lot, from 93 year I assembled my first home PC, 386SX-33 I still remember.
Chewbacarell: As every decent admin/programmer of the first generation, I'm more interested in communication via computer, not with live people. But age makes you realize that you can't measure everything in gigabytes. Have to get out. started playing before the BC, but with long interruptions. This character is the first, pumped to the maximum. Tried a lot of other MMOs, but every time I come back to WoW. (In the Ruler can not jump:) ). I do not consider myself a gamer, but I think many will support: Starcraft forever! Viva Blizard!
3. Sorry for the personal question - do you have kids? If so how do they feel about WoW? Do you play together?
Chewbacarella: We have guild kids. We even have kids radio. You turn on Skype and there's a little voice saying, "Daddy, can I press this button!" So most guilders get to experience parental happiness. Do we play together? Well, in 5-7 years I think we can definitely organize our own 25.
Aleli: I have two kids. We don't play together, but sometimes when I go into a game in the afternoon, which is quite rare, they sit down next to me to watch.
Timaine: Unless it's the "guild kids" already mentioned by the GM. None of their own.
Idits: No kids. Yet. No, I'm lying, there are. Stupid Labrador. It's a perpetual child. Indifferent to WoW.
Fingus: +1 to Aleli, for - wife/.
Chewbacarell: We play primarily to communicate with each other. And someone else's kids are perceived as a part of us together. Even if it's a labrador who wants to have a hunt. And the guild itself is like a child for many of us. Just as jealously guarded and protected.
4. Stereotype "computer games are fun for kids". What is your attitude to this stereotype?
Chubacarella: We are not confirmed by stereotypes. And look at our interfaces - well what stereotypes can there be?
Vorshula: In short - I don't agree with it. To elaborate: firstly, computer games, in my opinion, are not the most necessary entertainment for a child, if we are talking about age. Secondly ... And we're all a little bit children. And every day we play something. Business negotiations, for example, is not a game? Everyone needs to be a bit of a child, no matter what year you were born in your passport.
Aleli: I started playing at the time when computer was a rarity at home and there was no Internet at all. So I have a different stereotype - a player is a grown-up person, who earns enough money to afford the luxury of a home computer, and is smart enough to build and configure that computer. I only found out about kids playing games en masse a few years ago in general. I just hadn't given it much thought.
Idiots: We're breaking stereotypes. I know people who are 55-60 years old and would give any kid a head start.
Fingus: Stereotypes are the things that narrow the mind - fuck them! In fact, I think I'm still young at heart. No, that doesn't stop me from being a bit of an old nerd on occasion...
Chewbacarell: There's a great book called "The Games People Play. The People Who Play the Games." And I'll add the words from a song: "Our whole life is a game. And who's to blame if I'm addicted to this game....".
5. Guild "A Pot of Honey" - can you tell us more about it? How long have you been together? How did you get together? What are your goals?
Chewbacarella: Somehow a derelict guild with the name "Lords of Terror" came into our hands by accident and we joined it. The main reason for that is the fact that the group's ultimate is to be renamed as "Lords of Terror". The name "Nah, Nah and Poh" was rejected as not fitting the internal worldview. The goal is to get off! We're relaxing, socializing. The game is like some sort of sideline that includes CLC progress on the 6/12 norm. Even though we're kazoos, we're stumping Tuchlopuzik so much that he doesn't have time to say "mea".
Aleli: Chubakarella already answered this question. But I'll say for myself - we just coincided. The fact that this coincidence happened in the game is pure chance, place and time are irrelevant.
Timaine: This question has already been answered completely by the GM. I can only add that we had a bit of our own history of entering the guild, a gothic romance about loyalty and friendship, but I will allow myself to leave the details behind.
Fingus: It all started at the end of last summer, playing in another guild at the time. We happen to have a stable "assault five". Not in the sense that we were storming top content, but in the sense that we were storming five heroics while being very poorly dressed. It brought us together. When circumstances came around that we were forced to move to a new guild, that Assault Five became the backbone of everything, especially since by that time we were already fully prepared to go on serious raids. And to this day the composition of that five is the assault core of our raids. The aims - recreation and fun. And in a very broad sense. Chirping incessant chatter on distracted topics in the voice channel during a battle with a rather dangerous boss - isn't that a true recreation? Ran through old insta's fan raids for fun - one fun factor; finally taking down the boss in CLC after 20 large waves - another fun factor. We're not going for one thing, we're trying to look at things from a broader perspective.
Chubacarell: together we are from about the summer of 2009, but this guild came just in time for the New Year as a gift for all of us. Got together very simple: we realized that we feel comfortable playing and communicating with each other. Aim for one: to continue to play together.
6. Raiding content - what does it mean to you? Which instance did you enjoy the most? How do you rate the difficulty of the content?
Chubacarella: What is it? Is it the kind of beautiful things that you put on yourself? Here's the female cast collecting pretty dresses and crafting shirts that best match the color of the character's eyes. No, we don't have any preferences.
Vorshula: Raid content, in my opinion, only differs from the rest in that it's a set of sundries tailored for other interactions and other churn. Instas, to me, are all beautiful, each in their own way, and each in their own way complex. Especially when stepping back from the standards.
Aleli: Raiding content is a reason to talk about it. Blizzard is doing just fine here. Already thinking about buying bulk quantities of gags for the especially talkative ones. Purely aesthetically I like Ulduar best, tactically - and what's the tactic here locals? Hit it - squeeze! Just kidding. All interesting, in fact, if no overgear. Difficulty... well, it's complicated, but so when it's simple, it's not interesting.
Timain: Interesting as hell. From a professional point of view, too. I'm beating the boss and I'm thinking, "How would I do this inst?". Because of that thinking, the content is sometimes... a little more challenging than I'd like it to be. I don't have a preference for instances - all are good.
Idiots: Means nothing. Clenching my teeth, walking forward sternly.
Fingus: It's interesting because it allows you to test yourself, to see what you're really good at in this game. It's in raid content that the taste of victory is the sweetest. And it's not a personal victory (as it usually is in PvP), it's an OUR victory. From my favorite insts - mostly classics - Black Mountain and Karazhan (eh, they built them back then - level design was better than now). Of the new ones, Ulduar is very good.
Chewbacarell: I prefer to pay attention not to the question "Where" but to the question "With whom". From Oculus, we're not pouring.
7. What else do you do in the game besides raiding? PvP? 5ppl "heroics"? Questing? Maybe playing auk?
Chewbacarella: PvP we hate! Seriously!!! It's too adrenaline-filled for us to play. Heroes - well, we need some badges... Quests - yes. For the sake of aches, bots and other stuff. Auk - not seriously playing, but not poor on money.
Warshula: A bit of everything, except maybe PvP. This I do not like: I prefer playing against... "world evil" if you will.
As for the rest, the game provides enough opportunities: to find new items, get rare stuff, master complex stuff... Is the form so important? Is it a quest or a marketplace? Not for me.
Aleli: Yes, a little bit of everything, even PvP when gaming events force it. But we have little time to play most of the time, so 80% of the time we're raiding.
Timain: Not PvP. I don't like it. If I want to fight a real person - in the summer I can do that at any range game, but at other times - I can go to reenactors I know and fehtag with them. Heroics - regularly. Need some "ice." Quests - when it's interesting and there's time. It's fun to find sequels to stories started in Warcraft - there I was chasing Illidan with Silvana, negotiating with Jaina Proudmoor under the guise of Rexar... I made Arthas who he is now, if you think about it that way, and now it's really interesting to learn that part of the world history that passed without me. Auk? I do a bit of trading. Junk and junk. Somebody's even buying.
Idiots: Trying to get all the fun out of it.
Fingus: The good thing about WoW is that anyone can find tons of stuff to their liking there. PvP for me - it's fun and carefree, you run, all swept away. I know that many co-guildies my opinion is not divided, but to me, as a tank to keep the teeth on the multi-million raid boss - it's much harder than PvP. PvE-tanks adapt to PvP substantially easier than other roles - we are used to face-to-face battle with opponents repeatedly superior to us on all fronts, to monitor their health, to use the entire arsenal of afflictions. Therefore I'm not particularly fond of PvP, not very interesting, except to defend their capitals or raiding on the capitals of the Alliance - that is, at least, fun. Quests - yes, very interesting, they are well designed in the game, explore the world - great, interesting fancy achivki - fun, collecting something - a lot of opportunities. 5ppl gery - gone stage, there already polished to perfection, go to the daily and enough. Raise money on Auk - no problem, when necessary, easily earn their professions as much as necessary. But it's boring, so sit on the Auk not often.
Chubakarell: I think from all this said, it is clear that in the game we communicate more. Raiding and Communication are the two main things we play for.
8. A large part of the WoW audience is still young people and quite specific. They wear strange nicknames, speak strangely and sometimes behave strangely too. Are you comfortable in the game?
Chewbacarella: Idiots - is that a weird nickname? But a person is quite normal. Or "Miraculous Strike" - is he normal or not? The main thing is that you don't get to know the person, you don't get to know him, you don't get to judge him by his nickname. And then... what do you mean, young people...? We're not old people either. You get comfort in the game when you choose how and by whom you want to play.
Vorchula: That's a pretty good question. I'll try to answer in a nutshell. I love people, they are interesting to me. And almost anyone who won't chip away at the generally accepted norm but will position himself in the world, arrange his surroundings in a way that's comfortable for him, will be specific. And a kind of dialects appear wherever people do something together.
And behind the strange nicknames, characters, and even behind the game itself (well, or in front of the monitor) - People. With their stories, problems, preferences, "cockroaches" ... And players and creators, each of them is unique in its own way, each thinks about something, dreams, something to implement, cope with something ... Am I comfortable? As a scientist-chemist, who was given a laboratory with unlimited reagents and all possible equipment, a huge library and a comfortable sofa.
And what is the black list for? For comfort! Too bad it's not big enough. But seriously - we live in a peculiar dough which we organized ourselves. What happens outside of it - it does not affect me much. And inadequate underage players annoy me no more than their unplayable counterparts in real life.
Timain: Hmm. I'm the weird one. So I don't have a problem with nicknames and weird behavior of other players.
Idits: I'm very comfortable with my nickname (Idits).
Fingus: If we consider "normality" in terms of average behavior, then we have to admit that normal people spend their evenings drinking vodka and staring at the television. And we're all definitely not normal )). Everything is relative. For personal comfort it is enough to regulate the circle of my communication, limiting myself to those with whom it is pleasant to communicate. That's why I don't like random-party on gers and pugo-raids - it breaks my social circle's defenses by regularly letting all kinds of trash in - no fun.
Chewbacarell: The game doesn't change a person's behavior in any way. As he was a fool, he will remain one. And fools are not offended. Russia has always been distinguished by tolerance for fools. We are comfortable with each other. The rest is not important.
9. Nick Perumov, who also plays WoW, once said that more adults play for the Horde than the Alliance. Do you think this is true? And why the Horde after all?
Chewbacarella: I agree. Some of us also started out playing for the Alliance and then switched to the Horde. It's just that Alliance is something pure, light and positive that meets youthful maximalism, but Horde is more suited for people who don't need to assert themselves.
Worshula: Again, a question for the big opus. Here you could weave into the reasoning and the concepts of popular fantasy, and the history of the game, and even the fact that the race "people" got into the Alliance. It has already been briefly answered. I would only add that both factions have enough of their own "parrots". Psychological age and passport age are sometimes "two big differences". So... Partly the "hordes" need to assert themselves less, and partly they simply do it by other means. As for me personally, I have no specific preferences, and this very division is a bit jarring. I just want to play with my friends.
Aleli: It's quite simple. I haven't finished playing Barbie (for in my Soviet childhood it was an unattainable dream), and Blood Elves is the quintessential Barbie. For all the wealth of choices... people in WoW have weird gaits and stupid hairstyles.
Timain: I'll try to apply the Horde and Alliance races to my roleplay experience.
Humans are an uninteresting race. Too easy to cast. Even an elaborate quilt won't save it.
Dwarves - much more interesting. But everything is simple too - axes, beer, songs, and everything a little bit apart from the rest.
Dwarves - they are, of course, cool, but everything is too simple - in my opinion, the world from a dwarf's point of view is black and rainbow.
Night Elves - no internal conflict. Boring.
Drenei - that's a yes, it's complicated. But also everything is flat and understandable. So the whole difficulty of playing drenei is getting used to the race, and it's a matter of technique.
And now the Horde.
Orcs - imagine what it's like - picking at your every action, trying to figure out - is it you or demon blood?
Blood Elves - they have a thirst of magic inside, twisted into a tight spring, that rips out.
Taurens - on one hand they are simple, because they came to Horde mainly because orcs helped them, but on the other hand there is something incomprehensible in them, maybe even to Taurens themselves.
Trolls are the descendants of a great people, children of an ancient, vast and terrible empire, driven by the victors to remote islands and frozen out-of-the-way places.
Undead - I wonder what it would be like to die, to fall into and out of submission? And then to hear the heavy cold voice of the King-Leach in your skull every moment? How not to live with it?
Summary - the Horde as a whole is harder and more interesting to waggle.
Idiots: The answer to the 1st part of the question. Yes, it is. Why the Horde after all? Case in point. A bit of history. During the national census of 2002 we asked a question - what is your nationality. At that they wrote down any nationality you could not name. So Cossacks, elves, etc. appeared in our country. I was a cave troll. Therefore, when choosing a character in the game, I did not think about who I play for. The choice was made a long time ago. Well trolls, respectively, in the Horde. There you go.
Fingus: I have it easy - my wife started to play for the Horde, and me too, as we want to play together. Over time, it became clear that the Horde - my home, because the Horde is much more colorful than the allies. After six months of playing for the Horde tried to make a character for the Alliance - beyond 9 levels could not play, did not go: NPC tells me "for the Alliance", and I just got out myself: "Fink you! For the Horde!!!".
Chubakarell: Starting to play for the Horde, I realized that there is a much larger proportion of the "population" is sane and adequate than for the Alliance. The first visited insta showed that no one has anything to say, yank... For the Alliance is definitely not going back As our tank hill says: "I do not understand why this division into factions, but that is what it is.
10. Finally, a question for Chewbacarella and Chewbacarella. Something very familiar sounds in the nicknames... Chewbacca? "Star Wars? You like that show? What other sci-fi stuff do you like? And to the other guys - what books and movies do you prefer?
Chewbacarella: Um, well, yeah. Such cute furry creatures, and they express themselves accordingly. Of course we love that series, and we also love Interstate 66″ and Futurama, South Park and Constantine, Dogma and Equilibrium.
Worshula: A detailed answer would be too much. So in short: something that gives food for thought and fantasy. And yes, it's about people, about characters, about thinking and reasoning... And the genre doesn't matter anymore.
Aleli: If I don't play, I read. I watch movies rarely, and definitely not blockbusters. Although, I'll repent, I have a little bit of an eye for Harry Potter. Truth from the best intentions, to check out the acceptability of content for my own kids. Then I decided to read it. The only excuse is that I read the original.
Timaine: I read a lot, always when I have time. Genres - cyberpunk, alternate and not-so-history, fantasy, space opera. Movies - mostly Hollywood sci-fi. Though sometimes I may watch some Tarkovsky movies when I'm in the mood.
Idiots: Any books on the history of anything. Movies: No preference.
Fingus: Literature, from classics to modern fantasy and sci-fi. Though for the most part I have to read so much specialized professional literature and process such voluminous texts at work, that I have no energy to read much in my free time. Films - very selectively, but some I re-watch regularly, for the most part these are the 70s-90s movies.
Chewbacarell: Well, my wife has already answered about my preferences. But that's a separate song. Now even a problem in raids guys arise: I call Chewb, and our GM - often by name. Otherwise, in the heat of battle is a long time to pronounce. Then they are called Chub-boy and Chub-girl. Favorite book - "The Way of the Fool.